Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate for Obama

Just how much is a political endorsement worth if the person who gives it doesn't stand behind his or her word and wobbles instead?

In the case of superdelegate and former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joe Andrew of Indiana, not much, particularly since he was against superdelegates selecting the party's presidential nominee before he was, apparently, for it.

On November 18, 2007, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) announced the endorsement by Andrew, who served 1999-2001, during the Clinton administration, as the youngest DNC chair in party history:

"Hillary Clinton has the strength and experience to compete and win across this country," Andrew said. "I have seen up close her intellect, character, and fortitude, and I am convinced she is the best prepared to handle these challenging times. Her 35-year record fighting for America's families is as impressive as she is, and demonstrates why she will be a great President of the United States."

However, on May 1, 2008, the Associated Press reported that Andrew had officially wobbled and "switched his allegiance" to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

On background, by February 13, 2008, Andrew was sounding wobbly—"less wedded to his commitment"—telling the Fort Wayne, Indiana, Journal Gazette

"I want to vote for Hillary Clinton, don't get me wrong,... My commitment to her is profound, but I would be troubled if either she or Barack Obama actually became the nominee because superdelegates decided, opposed to actual voters going to the polls and pulling the lever."

~~snip~~

For Andrew, who headed the Indiana Democratic Party in the 1990s before being appointed national party chairman in 1999, the superdelegate system is a potential tragedy.

"I think we could lose the presidency over this," he said, if the superdelegates end up being the deciding factor in the party's nominee.

"Anything that looks like a backroom deal," Andrew said, would give the GOP nominee ammunition to accuse the Democratic Party of being non-democratic. "The worst thing that could happen is the superdelegates' votes actually count."

Andrew thinks the superdelegates ought to promise to vote for the candidate who has accumulated the most votes - not delegates - in the primaries.

According to the May 1, 2008, Associated Press report, in which Andrew officially announced his wobbliness:

... he is switching his support because "a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists (Republican) John McCain."

"While I was hopeful that a long, contested primary season would invigorate our party, the polls show that the tone and temperature of the race is now hurting us," Andrew wrote. "John McCain, without doing much of anything, is now competitive against both of our remaining candidates. We are doing his work for him and distracting Americans from the issues that really affect all of our lives."

As the Associated Press reported, "Andrew's decision puts Obama closer to closing Clinton's superdelegate lead."

But let's fast track backwards to what Andrew said in February 2007 when he first showed signs of wobbling, saying he would be "troubled" if either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama "actually became the nominee because superdelegates decided, opposed to actual voters going to the polls and pulling the lever."

Have we missed something? Has Indiana already held its primary? Have Indiana voters already decided the state's, nevermind the nation's, popular vote?

I thought not. But then, perhaps Joe Andrew's word on the role of the superdelegates is as reliable as that of Democratic political consultant, superdelegate-at large and DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee member Donna Brazile, who said on the February 6, 2008, edition of CNN's Situation Room:

"If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this. ... There's no reason why we should decide this election. I feel very strongly."

How strongly, Ms. Brazile? Not much wobble in that statement. And how reliable is your word now, Mr. Andrew? Particularly since you've identified yourself as what some might call a fairweather wobbler.

And was Joe Andrew ever really a loyal Clintonite, as some reports had said? It's questionable. It is not for nothing that the Center for Media and Democracy and the Sunlight Foundation's Congresspedia designated Joe Andrew as a superdelegate wobbler.

And what difference, really, does all this wobbling really make if the superdelegates should not decide the Democratic nominee, as both Andrew and Brazile have stated?



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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

People can make their choices known, but this just upsetting that he is ditching Hillary right in the middle rather than waiting out


by American1989 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:57:09 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

The voters will decide in Indiana .

She has another super today , anyhow.

http://thepage.time.com/

Momentum has swung her way in both states and she is doing it the old fashion way , pounding the pavement with shoe leather .

One clinton or the other has been in about 60 cities in Indiana.


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by lori on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:01:45 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

8-3 in supers (in Obama's favor) this week as of yesterday. We'll see what today brings.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:30:08 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

Clinton would need to gain TWO superdelegates today to keep the count even from where it was yesterday. That;s because Andrew switched thus changing the count by -2 for Clinton and +2 for Obama.


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by politicsmatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:30:28 AM EST
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Atttttaaaackkkkkk!!!!!! (none / 0)

You guys are so predictable. I was waiting around because I knew this would happen. The first reprisal diary.  


by highgrade on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:57:42 AM EST

Re: Atttttaaaackkkkkk!!!!!! (2.00 / 1)

An attack (that's how it's spelled) would be if I had called him a pond scum sucking lowlife spineless invertebrate jellyfish. You obviously didn't bother to read the diary .. just went from title line to comment. Now that's wobbly.


by Artificial Intelligence on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:05:48 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

Another Judas!


by mefck on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:57:56 AM EST

ok we think this one (none / 0)

is not Judas, he is Paul ;)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Thu May 01, 2008 at 12:24:27 PM EST
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no problem for me but... (none / 0)

what happens when it goes the other way from obama to clinton?

these people like richardson, andrew, and even john lewis show low character.

I say even john lewis because he certainly demonstrated character in his past, but not in this race.

IT IS SO, SO, SO, easy to be FOR  obama.  To do it now is low-rent.

You should have done it when he was way behind, or wait until the voters knock hillary out.

Cowards do it now.

The bad news for obama is, these cowards might switch back if he gets hit with something really big in term of scandal. They have no integrity.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:01:56 AM EST

Re: no problem for me but... (none / 0)

I think it's quite telling that thoes so close to the Clintons would switch. In some cases I agree it could be just political for all the wrong reasons but why so many?


by Politicalslave on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:21:06 AM EST
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This is punishment (none / 0)

for Bill.  Not Hillary.


by izarradar on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:26:52 AM EST
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Re: no problem for me but... (none / 0)

Cowards do it now? When he is having some trouble?

I wish you'd explain that because it makes no sense.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:23:50 AM EST
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Re: no problem for me but... (none / 0)

Obama is not in trouble now.  Obama has almost all the superdelegates lined up, he has the most money, he has the pop vote lead, the delegate, etc.

Many pundits and elected dems say the race is over.

NOT ONE UNAFFILIATED PERSON WILL CRITICIZE A JUMP TO OBAMA TODAY.

It is all reward no risk.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:27:05 AM EST
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Now we're going to have... (none / 0)

..."Wobbly" Delegates?

How about "Little" Delegates and "Unnerved" Delegates?

"Don't worry, that's a "Translucent" Delegate for Obama... she doesn't count because you can barely see him.


by Lieber on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:06:23 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew, just another (none / 0)

The reality is most of the super dels are keeping their powder dry. There's some unease around. Six weeks ago it looked like Obama was coasting to the nom but something has definitely happened. If he doesn't have a good week next week this is going to get serious. Note todays's WSJ poll where although the Republicans are completely in the tank McCain holds up very well. Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that Obama is the likely nominee, if McCain runs a half reasonable campaign he beats Obama easily because Obama has demographic mountains to climb in some key states, but the silver lining is we substantially increase our majorities in house and senate. This is an outcome I could see the country being comfortable with also. If she has a great week next week it could be a game changer, who knows............        


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:08:27 AM EST

I would add that it is UTTERLY impossible... (none / 0)

...to tell anything about the General Election at this point. Look at the last two Presidential contests. The dynamic in May was not the Dynamic in June was not the Dynamic on October and so on. Neither Democrat has it locked up, NOR is dead in the water at this point and he final outcome will have more to do with things that will happen in three months than the dynamic now. An added bonus: EITHER Democratic nominee will get a boost when he/she is finally decided on.


by Lieber on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:19:40 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

I thought there was only one Judas in the bible??  What's Obama have??  Like 245 of them....


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:14:33 AM EST

Diary summarized (none / 0)

Obama is doomed because supers are switching to him.


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Still not putting up with "preening" posts
by jaiwithani on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:15:31 AM EST

That's the nature of superdelegates (none / 0)

Look, that's the thing with super delegates.  None of them, and I mean none, are bound to a vote for either candidate until the convention.  They can switch at any time.  Whether we like it or not, those are the rules for this election.


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by minvis on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:42:40 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

This is 10 times worse than anything Richardson's been accused of. Not only is he stabbing the Clintons  in the back but also Evan Bayh. First, Bayh, then the Clintons helped make this guy's career. This is pretty cold-blooded.


by blueflorida on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:45:02 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

"Make this guys career?"

Apparently everything comes from the Godfather Bill Clinton.

Youre nobody till you kiss his ring - and then youre nobody when you refuse.

How about all Andrew did for Bayh and Clinton as DNC chair raising millions of dollars to ensure electoral victories?


Hoosiers for Hill -- Barack Obama
by BWasikIUgrad on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:17:09 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

At age 34, Evan Bayh backed him for Indiana Dem Party Chair. I'm not under the impression that Joe Andrew wasn't deserving or didn't deliver once obtained, but he was given an opportunity he didn't necessarily have a right to expect at such a young age. Similarly with Bill Clinton and the DNC (my understanding is that a major reason for Clinton's backing of Andrew for that spot was Bayh's recommendation).

If Andrew felt this strongly about Obama he should never have endorsed Clinton. No one would have begrudged him that. First to endorse, then to change his mind at this late stage to do the most damage possible to her candidacy and to Evan Bayh's efforts to try to win the state for her can justifiably be considered an act of betrayal.

Further, Joe Andrew hasn't simply endorsed Obama. He is trashing the Clintons in the press -- as in explicitly comparing them to Republicans. That's pretty low. Read more here.


by blueflorida on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:50:23 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly super (2.00 / 1)

What's being lost in this discussion is that both Joe Andrew and Donna Brazile have said that the SDs should not decide the nominee yet Andrew, an alleged Clintonite, flip flops to Obama without any real reason. If he is all that his bio says that he is, with as much clout as he claims to have, then why was this support not being used to promote Clinton's campaign? The proof is always in what you actually do, not what you say. An endorsement costs nothing and is worth little unless you are willing to put your money, time and effort to good use.


by Artificial Intelligence on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:56:43 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (2.00 / 2)

I think the supers going for Obama were in his camp for a while and they are rolling them out to minimize bad press. I think the 'switch' happened a while ago. There does seem to be an effort among some party people to push this race over, but if they try to force the ticket for Obama they may end up with what appears to be an unelectable candidate. I was impressed by his campaign a couple months ago, but he looks really wimpy and out-of-touch. If he is afraid of debates and confrontation (hey - isn't that what politics is about?) then I hate to imagine him in a debate with McCain. They really should wait for the vote next week.


by sunnyaz08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:09:35 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

Why wait for a vote next week? What exactly will that change?


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:53:07 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

This is an asinine comment?  21 debates weren't enough for you?  Do you think everyone doesn't understand that Hillary supporters want more debates so that they can see Obama getting hounded about flag pins, and Wright, and that bullshit?  And save the self righteous indignation about how you want to hear about the issues.  Clinton supporters haven't wanted to hear about issues for months - unless the issues that are important to you are gun owner's rights and NAFTA as it is applied to Canadian Whiskey Imports.  Your comments are disingenuous and transparent which is not all that shocking considering where you get your talking points from.  Tell us again why the gas tax holiday is a great idea...


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:47:00 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

Obama doesn't debate very well - I have seen most of the debates. A president should be able to debate and should be able to stand up for himself or herself - if his views are so different from Reverend Wright then why didn't Obama stand up for himself over the last 20 years and wait until it might cost him votes? Reverend Wright is a valid issue - the guy was his best buddy and mentor. If viewers/readers/voters think something is an issue then it IS and issue. The guy wilts under pressure. Obama is running on his character and claims he has superior judgment and better knowledge of the world than his opponents. His judgment has come into question. I think all of that is valid when we are electing a leader.


by sunnyaz08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 12:43:21 PM EST
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Robots (none / 0)

Superdelegates, voters, politician are not Robots. Andrews has watched HRC fail in her campaign on so many levels (horrid management skill, money woes, debt woes), has watched her drop 9-11 and fear monger, listened to her pander about a gas-tax that ONLY John McCain thinks is a good idea, listened to her discuss the obliteration of Iran...and he decided enough was enough.

Remember - Hillary is the one who said Supers could change their votes...automatic delegates, pledged delegates, etc...she even had a webpage made about the terms, etc.

First Iowa - where she lost delegates...they werent pledged after all..now Andrews...

I doubt she wanted to be the victim of her own political pandering!


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:51:40 AM EST

Re: Robots (none / 0)

Wrong. HRC has made mistakes, but so has your dear Barry. And LOOK AT HIS NUMBERS!!!!

DONT YOU PEOPLE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE??????????? DON'T YOU PEOPLE WANT TO WIN?????


by Misty Mountain Maggie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:10:16 AM EST
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Re: Robots (none / 0)

Nice caps...settle down misty mountain.

And yes...all of us are blind...I mean why else would we support BHO? Silly, silly us for being so naive.

I urge you to read the letter from former DNC chair Joe Andrew. Food for your soul.

http://thepage.time.com/letter-from-andr ew-to-other-superdelegates/


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:21:32 AM EST
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Re: Robots (none / 0)

MMM, the 14th question mark convinced me that you're 100% correct, although when I noticed you forgot the all-important "WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" you lost me again.


by Rumproast on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:35:30 AM EST
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Re: Robots (none / 0)

Try using underline, maybe bold as well.  Those can usually convince staunch BO supporters to come to Hillary-land.  But good use of caps - mojo rated for effectiveness :-)


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:54:48 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew, just another wobbly superdelegate (none / 0)

Give this a read..he crtainly doesn't sound wobbly:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 508/A_preemptive_strike_from_Andrew.html


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:02:49 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew you can suck it (none / 0)

This morning in his endorsement of Barack Obama, Joseph Andrews claimed that

"a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists (Republican) John McCain."

For those of you who vehemently disagree, please contact Mr. Andrew and let him know how wrong he is.

jandrew@sonnenschein.com

I have had enough with these Democratic wussies, I want to WIN this year. This primary is NOT, I repeat, NOT hurting our party or our candidates. Everywhere these candidates go, record numbers of new voters are registering and flocking to the polls. We have raised mountains of money. We have made clear our positions on the issues, and convinced thousands of new voters to speak up and become active in politics.

Tell Mr. Andrews how you feel Hill supporters, because obviously he needs a dose of reality.


by Misty Mountain Maggie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:08:27 AM EST

Re: Joe Andrew you can suck it (2.00 / 1)

Earlier you claimed that Obama supporters cant see what is happening...you seem to be suffering from a similar sickness. Do you honestly think that McCain's numbers would be this high if BHO or HRC had been declared presumptive earlier? McCain is a train-wreck, but no one seems to notice.

Obama's grassroots will organize voter registrations, hopefully with the help of HRC, and the excitement WILL continue. Anyone who thinks this process is a 'good thing' is sorely naive. No matter who you support, if it was Dem on Repub action right now, McCain would be looking far worse.

Finally, please consider not flooding Andrew with emails...if you think the former chair of the DNC, appointed by Clinton, is not aware of the circumstances in politics today..and not fully aware of the impact of his decision...then you have truly become brainwashed by your support.

Read his letter, please - just read the whole thing and then drink a little chamomile tea or something.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:28:06 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew you can suck it (2.00 / 1)

And by the way - your 'call to arms' against Andrew is rather funny...I mean flooding the email of a loyal democrat b/c he doesnt support your candidate? Why? Because he says the drawn out process is hurting the party? Lets see...you are on a progressive site, telling other progressives to attack a fellow democrat (a rather loyal and distinguished one at that)...no, certainly this process is not huring the party! Do you see the irony? Man you people are funny.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:33:03 AM EST
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Re: Joe Andrew you can suck it (2.00 / 1)

I love how Clinton supporters constantly frame themselves as being more mature than the "Obamazoids" but then do things like start a comment thread with a subject like "Joe Andrew you can suck it."


by Rumproast on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:39:10 AM EST
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